It’s almost Easter and we’re looking at a weird Bible story associated with Jesus’ death and resurrection: the temple curtain tearing in two and the tombs of saints opening up with their inhabitants leaving the cemetery. It’s a strange little scene but it’s packed with meaning!
Then in part two, Pastor Matthew and Adam take a look at some songs of the Easter season that we’ll be singing and look at how the message of Jesus’ resurrection has been set to music over the years.
Have a topic you’d like to hear about or a question for us? Drop us an email at media@stmatthewgr.com.
Transcript
It's Easter Week on everyday disciples. I'm
Matthew Starner:Pastor Matthew, and thanks for joining me here today. As we
Matthew Starner:gear up for Good Friday and Easter, there's a lot of
Matthew Starner:Scripture that we're gonna be talking about in the next few
Matthew Starner:days. One of those passages has some details that we might be
Matthew Starner:tempted to skim past that when Jesus dies, the temple curtain
Matthew Starner:is torn, and the tombs of saints are open. I sit down today with
Matthew Starner:Aiden hunter to dig into this weird Bible story. Then, another
Matthew Starner:part of our Easter celebration is music. And Adam Vanderbilt
Matthew Starner:and I take a look at some Easter songs that will be singing this
Matthew Starner:Sunday and in the coming weeks, and we'll look at how Christians
Matthew Starner:have put the resurrection to music throughout history up to
Matthew Starner:today. All that and more ahead on everyday disciples.
Matthew Starner:Well, I'm joined here with Aidan hunt. This week leading up to
Matthew Starner:Easter here and Aiden, we're about to read through all of the
Matthew Starner:the texts surrounding Jesus death and his resurrection in
Matthew Starner:the coming days. Monday, Thursday and Good Friday and
Matthew Starner:Easter Sunday. And I thought it'd be good for us to talk
Matthew Starner:about some do some more weird Bible stories stuff.
Aidan Hunt:Yeah, the weird Bible stories, they don't, they
Aidan Hunt:don't stop in the new in the New Testament, they keep going. It's
Aidan Hunt:not just the Old Testament as the weird stuff. The new New
Aidan Hunt:Testament got some stuff we gotta unpack too. And some
Aidan Hunt:stuff, we got to, you know, dissect that button. It all just
Aidan Hunt:it makes a lot of sense once you look at it, but it takes a
Aidan Hunt:little bit of inspection sometimes. And so
Matthew Starner:there's one part in the story about the
Matthew Starner:death of Jesus, that often I think if somebody was retelling
Matthew Starner:the story, you know, after like going to church on Good Friday,
Matthew Starner:we're gonna we're gonna read some of this. Actually, I take
Matthew Starner:it back. I'm not sure if this particular if the Matthew
Matthew Starner:reading shows up in what we're going to read this year on Good
Matthew Starner:Friday. I know we're reading a lot from Luke. So we might not
Matthew Starner:hear this one this this time. But if somebody was recounting
Matthew Starner:the story, I feel like they would maybe skip these details.
Aidan Hunt:Because on the surface, they seem pretty
Aidan Hunt:insignificant. They don't seem and they're these kind of seems
Aidan Hunt:like comes on. Yeah, like, oh, that happened. Cool. And so
Matthew Starner:the part that we're talking about here comes
Matthew Starner:from Matthew chapter 27. Starting at verse 51, through
Matthew Starner:54, where it mentions the temple curtain being torn. And then
Matthew Starner:this earthquake that causes a bunch of what sounds like
Matthew Starner:zombies to come to life here. So Aiden, you want to read those
Matthew Starner:verses for us so folks listening can hear what we're talking
Matthew Starner:about.
Aidan Hunt:Suddenly, the curtain of the temple was torn
Aidan Hunt:in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook and the rocks
Aidan Hunt:were split. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the
Aidan Hunt:saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And coming out of
Aidan Hunt:the tombs after his resurrection, they went into the
Aidan Hunt:holy city, and appeared to many, when the centurion and those who
Aidan Hunt:are with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and
Aidan Hunt:what took place. They were filled with art and said, Truly,
Aidan Hunt:this was the Son of God. So this
Matthew Starner:falls right after like in the previous
Matthew Starner:paragraph here, Jesus dies, Jesus gives up his Spirit, Jesus
Matthew Starner:dies, and this is a result of Jesus dying, the temple curtain
Matthew Starner:is torn in two, and these tombs are open. So let's, let's maybe
Matthew Starner:take these two events, one at a time here, when we will talk
Matthew Starner:about the the temple curtain being torn into what do you make
Matthew Starner:of that one.
Aidan Hunt:So I actually mentioned this in my sermon from
Aidan Hunt:about a month ago, where we talked about how the, the
Aidan Hunt:curtain of the temple that we see that it's torn. When Jesus
Aidan Hunt:dies, we almost think of it as like, just like the curtain over
Aidan Hunt:the windows of the temple so that, you know, the glare
Aidan Hunt:doesn't get in certainly how we use or think of curtains today,
Aidan Hunt:how we think how we think of curtains like in our cultural
Aidan Hunt:context. But this curtain was not those kinds of curtains.
Aidan Hunt:This was the curtain that hung in the temple that separated the
Aidan Hunt:center, most part of the temple, the Holy of Holies, where they
Aidan Hunt:believe that the presence of God dwelled most strongly where the
Aidan Hunt:Ark of the Covenant was. And this was the case both in the
Aidan Hunt:temple in Jerusalem and even way back in the exodus in the
Aidan Hunt:wilderness when the Israelites traveled with the tabernacle, as
Aidan Hunt:at the center of their camp, everywhere they went. And the
Aidan Hunt:Holy of Holies was where the high priest would go once a year
Aidan Hunt:to make a sacrifice on behalf of the people. Because that's where
Aidan Hunt:the presence of God was most almost like most saturated like
Aidan Hunt:that's where it was the most real here on earth like that was
Aidan Hunt:work having an earth came to collide was in the Holy of
Aidan Hunt:Holies. This curtain was not just you know, a curtain keeping
Aidan Hunt:the glare out or the sun, like this was a thick, very like
Aidan Hunt:strong curtain because of the presence of God was not safe for
Aidan Hunt:a human being like your eye. And so when and
Matthew Starner:I think we need to lean in for a second on like,
Matthew Starner:when you say thick curtain. We don't just mean like, you know,
Matthew Starner:you can go out on the nose and corduroy. Well, yeah, you You
Matthew Starner:can go down to the home store and you can get some that's like
Matthew Starner:a room darkening curtain. That's not the thickness we're talking.
Matthew Starner:We're talking like, I was just trying to find it here on in my
Matthew Starner:notes. It's like a four inch thick curtain.
Aidan Hunt:That's nuts. That's it.
Matthew Starner:So this is, I mean, when you think about like
Matthew Starner:a fabric curtain, we think of, you know, something, you know,
Matthew Starner:maybe a quarter of an inch thick or something that's a pretty
Matthew Starner:heavy curtain, we're talking four inches, give or take,
Aidan Hunt:you can't throw this thing in the washer. No, you
Aidan Hunt:gotta you gotta This is a heavy thing that we're talking about
Aidan Hunt:here. Yeah. And so the reason that this curtain had to be so
Aidan Hunt:thick, though is that the presence of God is so holy, it
Aidan Hunt:is. So it is so powerful, and we as human beings, because of our
Aidan Hunt:sin and our brokenness, it is therefore not safe for us to be
Aidan Hunt:in God's presence so that the thickness of the curtain is for
Aidan Hunt:our protection. When you go into the temple, you don't want to,
Aidan Hunt:you know, be so close to the presence of God. But the thing
Aidan Hunt:about Jesus about the Incarnation where God has come
Aidan Hunt:to earth, in a human body as a man in Jesus of Nazareth, the
Aidan Hunt:presence of God isn't now dwelling among his people. And
Aidan Hunt:when Jesus dies, and and our sins are forgiven, and atone for
Aidan Hunt:the the separation between God and humanity is no longer a
Aidan Hunt:thing because Jesus has died for our sins. And so when Jesus
Aidan Hunt:dies, that curtain that separates the presence of God
Aidan Hunt:from humanity is torn in half. It doesn't matter anymore. It we
Aidan Hunt:don't need that curtain to separate us from God because we
Aidan Hunt:have been reconciled to Him through Jesus.
Matthew Starner:And I love that imagery in the text of its
Matthew Starner:split. From top to bottom. God coming to us not
Aidan Hunt:bottom to top, it wasn't something we did right
Aidan Hunt:from him, right? It it just again,
Matthew Starner:it reinforces that direction of how God works.
Matthew Starner:It's from him to us. Yeah, man. It's it's powerful stuff. And I
Matthew Starner:think it's a, it's a great connection, then right into the
Matthew Starner:next thing that happens here with the rocks. But in fact, I
Matthew Starner:was looking at a commentary that that makes, I think, a pretty
Matthew Starner:good argument that that really, now I don't, what what version
Matthew Starner:were you reading out of is, is that those ESV? Oh, I have the
Matthew Starner:USB open it was must be a different version from what I
Matthew Starner:have then. So mine at mine has young Behold, the curtain of the
Matthew Starner:temple was torn into from top to bottom period. And the earth
Matthew Starner:shook and the rocks were split period. And it makes the
Matthew Starner:argument that that first period shouldn't be there. That really
Matthew Starner:to say that this is all one thing that's happening, the
Matthew Starner:curtain is torn into and the earth shook. And the rocks were
Matthew Starner:split, that this is a one one movement that's happening here.
Matthew Starner:As as the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who
Matthew Starner:had fallen, fallen asleep or right, so we've got that, that
Matthew Starner:bodies of the saints, to those who were reading this
Matthew Starner:originally, they would have thought had in mind, maybe some
Matthew Starner:Old Testament Heroes, that's the saints that they were maybe
Matthew Starner:thinking of who had fallen asleep that they're raised. Now,
Matthew Starner:there's a weird little little timing thing in here in verse
Matthew Starner:53. They're raised at this point when the the the tombs are
Matthew Starner:opened, but it says coming out of the tombs after his
Matthew Starner:resurrection. So Jesus just died. His resurrection isn't
Matthew Starner:isn't for a little bit here in the story. But Matthew is
Matthew Starner:throwing this detail in that after his resurrection, then
Matthew Starner:they went out into the holy city. So it makes you wonder,
Matthew Starner:were they just milling around the cemetery for a couple of
Matthew Starner:days until Jesus arose? Were they hanging out just in their
Matthew Starner:tombs, until then, it's kind of a strange picture that Matthew
Matthew Starner:is painting here for us. And it leads to all sorts of questions.
Matthew Starner:So where did these people rise? Like Lazarus rose? So they all
Matthew Starner:died again? Did they rise to like resurrected bodies in the
Matthew Starner:sense of the End Times resurrection? Is this the
Matthew Starner:foretaste of of that resurrection to come? So in
Matthew Starner:other words, do they do they rise to die again? Or do they
Matthew Starner:rise not to die again? Like Jesus rises not to die again?
Matthew Starner:No, there's no Matthew doesn't point us in one direction or the
Matthew Starner:other in his text here. So it's something to just maybe wonder
Matthew Starner:about. But man, it's a it's an amazing connection to what Jesus
Matthew Starner:is doing as Jesus dies. As that temple is there's the the
Matthew Starner:curtain of the temple was torn into a now the grave is torn
Matthew Starner:into. So the grave can't hold us either. It's a powerful reminder
Matthew Starner:of this resurrection reality that is happening, even in this
Matthew Starner:moment as Jesus is dying on the cross.
Aidan Hunt:And I don't think we should miss that this last
Aidan Hunt:verse. Were the first person who really sees all of this
Aidan Hunt:happening around them and sees that this this death was much
Aidan Hunt:more than just a simple Jewish man. First person to say Truly
Aidan Hunt:this was the Son of God was not a Jew. But in fact, it was a
Aidan Hunt:Roman soldier. So that this message of salvation, we see
Aidan Hunt:even right here, as soon as Jesus dies is not just for the
Aidan Hunt:Jewish people, but as for all people, Jew and Gentile alike.
Matthew Starner:And yeah, and I love the point too, that these
Matthew Starner:these holy ones, the saints would fallen asleep, these
Matthew Starner:these, presumably Jewish saints that that they're referring to
Matthew Starner:here. As Matthew would paint this picture, it's not just like
Matthew Starner:you just said, it's not just for everyone going forward. But it's
Matthew Starner:also going backward, you know, Jesus death and his resurrection
Matthew Starner:is what saves those who came before him. Their faith in that
Matthew Starner:event is the same as our faith in that event. They were looking
Matthew Starner:forward to it, we're looking backward to it, it is, it is the
Matthew Starner:pivotal moment for all time in human history here. So that's a
Matthew Starner:really interesting little paragraph here. A little aside
Matthew Starner:that happens in the Easter story, but man, one that is
Matthew Starner:packed full of meaning here. So I hope as you hear these words
Matthew Starner:read in the next few days, as you think about these over the
Matthew Starner:Easter holiday weekend, hear that these maybe give a little
Matthew Starner:bit more meaning a little more depth to words that you hear all
Matthew Starner:the time
Matthew Starner:while I'm sitting here once again with Adam Vander stellt
Matthew Starner:the worship guys are back together today to talk about
Matthew Starner:some Easter songs. This is the week of Easter here and we're
Matthew Starner:getting ready to sing all the fun songs we've been at them all
Matthew Starner:Lenten, we've been singing all the Latin songs a lot of a lot
Matthew Starner:of focus on the cross a lot of focus on Jesus death and our
Matthew Starner:repentance as the season goes on. And we're about to turn the
Matthew Starner:corner here and sing all the way go from the minor keys to
Adam VanderStelt:the major keys back in the major companies.
Matthew Starner:So we thought today it would be really good to
Matthew Starner:to kind of talk about some of the songs that we sing around
Matthew Starner:Easter we've done some of these, why we sing what we sing,
Matthew Starner:looking at individual songs, we thought today maybe a little
Matthew Starner:longer segment we'll talk about a bunch of different songs that
Matthew Starner:we're going to sing this weekend on Easter. So I thought probably
Matthew Starner:you know should should start with one of the first ones that
Matthew Starner:that we're going to sing one that people know Christ the Lord
Matthew Starner:has risen today or Jesus Christ is risen today depending on
Matthew Starner:which which tradition you grew up in. In in our hymnals Jesus
Matthew Starner:Christ is risen today has a different tune that I think like
Matthew Starner:most of the rest of the world has the has a different tune
Matthew Starner:okay to this one. There's there's kind of two similar
Matthew Starner:Easter tunes that these texts get flip flop back and forth.
Matthew Starner:But Jesus Christ is risen today. classic, classic Eastern hymn if
Matthew Starner:there ever was one. So much so that like it gets done in
Matthew Starner:contemporary settings and stuff, the the texts and the tune
Matthew Starner:really both are what pretty enduring, I guess there they
Matthew Starner:are.
Adam VanderStelt:Yes, I remember this song. Growing up
Adam VanderStelt:as a kid we sang this in my home church, and I always thought of
Adam VanderStelt:it as the one that had the high note. I know the high note it's
Adam VanderStelt:right there in the third series. The third phrase there who did
Adam VanderStelt:once upon the cross, I just remember that's the one the high
Adam VanderStelt:note like that's the one we got to send later.
Matthew Starner:This was the one that the growing up at my
Matthew Starner:church like I had never heard this song without brass. Oh,
Matthew Starner:really. Our church on Easter always had a bunch of brass and
Matthew Starner:even like the timpani and the organ, you know, revved up to
Matthew Starner:full speed. I didn't I this was one that I never knew you could
Matthew Starner:do without bras like it just seemed like and of course we
Matthew Starner:had. The church I grew up at had a big choir too. So we had like
Matthew Starner:this army of voices leading that it was usually kicking off
Matthew Starner:Easter Sunday. And definitely one that is, at least for me.
Matthew Starner:I'm sure it is for others too. A little bit nostalgic when you're
Matthew Starner:saying yeah, I'm reminded of those days growing up.
Adam VanderStelt:Yep, yep. I remember sitting in the Senate
Adam VanderStelt:the stuff the left side of the church, seven throw, Easter
Adam VanderStelt:morning, every every Easter and I think this was usually the
Adam VanderStelt:song that they started with, you know, a downbeat that was the
Adam VanderStelt:this one song right here so yeah,
Matthew Starner:yeah, you almost can't sing it without
Matthew Starner:smelling Easter lilies and yeah, and all that
Adam VanderStelt:I think about ham or ham,
Matthew Starner:deviled eggs, all the things that go along
Matthew Starner:with Easter you know, it's funny Easter is not one of those
Matthew Starner:holidays that tends to be nostalgic like Christmases. You
Matthew Starner:know, Christmas tends to have all the warm fuzzies with it.
Matthew Starner:And for for whatever reason, Easter doesn't have that, that
Matthew Starner:same nostalgia, but there are bits of it in there.
Adam VanderStelt:I always just remember I had to wear my nice
Adam VanderStelt:new shirt. On Easter, I had to I had to, like you got to look
Adam VanderStelt:like your brother to you know, put on your nice purple shirts
Adam VanderStelt:and look like your brother and
Matthew Starner:Zara. Remember Easter Easter was when we got to
Matthew Starner:dress up like you know, you got to wear a suit and tie and all
Matthew Starner:that to church it was that was the fancy day. Instead, it's
Matthew Starner:funny those those things that we connect with that, but looking
Matthew Starner:at looking at the hem here. So we're going to be saying these
Matthew Starner:words all the time. I think one of the reasons why this tends to
Matthew Starner:be you know, one of the first ones that gets used on Easter
Matthew Starner:Sunday worship, especially in churches that are a little more
Matthew Starner:liturgical, a little more traditional, even more so than
Matthew Starner:our church. During the season of Lent, the traditionally the
Matthew Starner:church puts away the ALU Yes, so we don't sing hallelujah o's and
Matthew Starner:things like that. Now, we're not quite so rigid about that here.
Matthew Starner:But there are some churches that don't do that. So when when it
Matthew Starner:comes to Easter Sunday morning, this is like the first time in
Matthew Starner:six weeks that we've been able to sing Alia so we've got a song
Matthew Starner:that's got for each verse, you know, we get to sing it 16 times
Matthew Starner:the opening.
Adam VanderStelt:Yeah, catch up and catch up on irrelevant.
Matthew Starner:But man, this one and you know, the lyrics
Matthew Starner:kind of get get swapped between the two sometimes depending on
Matthew Starner:the church you grew up in are the hymnal that you use, but the
Matthew Starner:lyrics and both this Jesus Christ has risen today in Christ
Matthew Starner:the Lord has risen today. Man such powerful lyrics in there.
Matthew Starner:You know, if you kind of just ignore the hallelujahs for and
Matthew Starner:just look at the text of it. We've got some, some beautiful
Matthew Starner:things like verse three, you know, the pains that he endured,
Matthew Starner:our salvation have procured, now above the sky, he's king where
Matthew Starner:the angels ever sing and you know, Allah lujah is
Matthew Starner:interspersed through all of that, and in in the other one
Matthew Starner:Christ the Lord has risen today was the verse that I just really
Matthew Starner:love. Like in that one, two, verse three, hail the victim,
Matthew Starner:undefiled God and sinners reconciled sounds a little bit
Matthew Starner:like Christmas. Yeah. When contending death and life met in
Matthew Starner:strange and awesome strife, Christians on this holy day, all
Matthew Starner:you're grateful homage pay Christ, the Lord has risen on
Matthew Starner:high now he lives no more to die. There's just beautiful,
Matthew Starner:beautiful lyrics there that we get to sing in those songs. But
Matthew Starner:there's more than just that song that we sing at Easter time.
Matthew Starner:Yeah. One of the other ones I know that is a I grew up with as
Matthew Starner:a classic Christian, Easter, I don't say Christmas, classic
Matthew Starner:Easter hymn that we get to sing but also at other times, too,
Matthew Starner:was I know that my Redeemer lives. This is another one of
Matthew Starner:those like, just powerful music. First of all super singable, as
Matthew Starner:far as hymns go, Ben and a lot of funerals where this has been
Matthew Starner:sung to the great, great connection there to remember
Matthew Starner:like, in the face of death, the hope that we have. And we'll be
Matthew Starner:singing this one this week on Easter too. Now, probably not
Matthew Starner:going to sing all eight verses have it. And I know in different
Matthew Starner:in different hymnals there have been different numbers of verses
Matthew Starner:and stuff. And it always kind of cracks me up. When when there's
Matthew Starner:a hymn with 810 12. There's one in here that I think has 15
Matthew Starner:verses. Oh my goodness, let one. We sing it a few weeks ago at
Matthew Starner:one of our our evening services. Yeah. odorous Jesus, what law
Matthew Starner:has to allow broken has 15 verses and we told everybody
Matthew Starner:well, maybe we'll just think 12 Small panic that went over the
Matthew Starner:room when we said that we I think we only say two or three.
Matthew Starner:But yeah,
Adam VanderStelt:I'm looking at these words here on I know my
Adam VanderStelt:redeemer lives. This isn't a song that I'm familiar with. But
Adam VanderStelt:I love the lyrics of the fourth verse. He lives to grant me rich
Adam VanderStelt:supply He lives to guide me with his eye he lives to comfort me
Adam VanderStelt:when faint He lives to hear my soul's complaint so that the
Adam VanderStelt:resurrection wasn't just like a one off occurrence. Like it's a
Adam VanderStelt:it's a continuation of Christ's work in our life that that now
Adam VanderStelt:that the gap between us and God has been eliminated through
Adam VanderStelt:through Christ like we have access to a rich supply of his
Adam VanderStelt:good As of His grace of his, you know, the fruits of the Spirit
Adam VanderStelt:so I just like that.
Matthew Starner:I think that's that's what I really like about
Matthew Starner:this him is it does a really good job of bringing Easter into
Matthew Starner:the everyday we were talking about this at staff a little
Matthew Starner:while back that in this book that we're reading on the
Matthew Starner:resurrection, about how Jesus resurrection we kind of maybe
Matthew Starner:have that sometimes in our mind as it was like this thing that
Matthew Starner:he did, where he came back to life from from death, but we
Matthew Starner:really don't have always have a firm grasp on what does that
Matthew Starner:mean for us today? You know, how does that how does that change
Matthew Starner:things for me today, and this him does a really great job of
Matthew Starner:trying to explain that of like so. So he lives and there's
Matthew Starner:eight verses now of like, like, I love number seven too. He
Matthew Starner:lives and grants me daily breath, he lives and I will
Matthew Starner:conquer death. He lives my mansion to prepare He lives to
Matthew Starner:bring me safely there. It's this is all stuff that's like here
Matthew Starner:and now but also futures there's that my mansion to prepare that
Matthew Starner:my heavenly home that he is he is bringing me to He lives to
Matthew Starner:silence all my fears. He lives to wipe away my tears. He lives
Matthew Starner:to calm my troubled heart he lives all blessings to impart
Matthew Starner:you know what a what a great reminder of just the the every
Matthew Starner:day of what Easter does for us.
Adam VanderStelt:Yeah. And timely that that verse you just
Adam VanderStelt:read, he lives to silence all my fears, right? We just been going
Adam VanderStelt:through a time of fears and tears and, and troubles and how
Adam VanderStelt:good to know that Easter keeps going that as Christians were
Adam VanderStelt:Easter people, it's not just a holiday, we celebrate once a
Adam VanderStelt:year. It's something it's a truth we live into. Or we have
Adam VanderStelt:the opportunity to live into. Yeah, when we truly accept the
Adam VanderStelt:truth of the resurrection in the in the beauty of it.
Matthew Starner:Let's look at another one you got to look at
Matthew Starner:another another him. So here's what here's another one Adam, I
Matthew Starner:don't know if you're familiar with this one. Awake my heart
Matthew Starner:with gladness. You're familiar with that one grew up with that
Matthew Starner:one. This is we're not going to sing this one on Easter Sunday.
Matthew Starner:We'll be singing this in the next couple of weeks. But
Matthew Starner:another really powerful song Beautiful, beautiful melody,
Matthew Starner:first of all. So many of these Easter hymns just have a very
Matthew Starner:classic singleness to them. I think that's why they've endured
Matthew Starner:for for the centuries that they've been around. But another
Matthew Starner:one with with really beautiful lyrics here, awake my heart with
Matthew Starner:gladness, see what today is done. Now after gloom and
Matthew Starner:sadness, now after coming out of Lent, comes forth the glorious
Matthew Starner:sun, my Savior there was laid, where our bed must be made. When
Matthew Starner:to when to the realms of light our Spirit Wings, its flight,
Matthew Starner:you know Jesus light in that place that we were meant to be.
Matthew Starner:And now he he has risen now we will rise kind of recounts the
Matthew Starner:other verse, this is another some of these older hymns. You
Matthew Starner:know, like these guys weren't short on words. Seven, seven
Matthew Starner:versus here. Not one that we normally sing all seven of which
Matthew Starner:I guess is always as a you know, the person who's picking the
Matthew Starner:music a lot of times for the traditional service especially.
Matthew Starner:There is a little bit of that tension of oh man should we sing
Matthew Starner:all eight verses are all seven are all six verses? Should we
Matthew Starner:cut it down? How much is too much? How much is cutting it
Matthew Starner:short and short? Changing the song? There is always that kind
Matthew Starner:of balance of how much do you sing? And how much do you do
Matthew Starner:leave out some?
Adam VanderStelt:Yes, boy, I'm looking at the lyrics of this
Adam VanderStelt:one, it'd be hard to it'd be hard to leave one out. Because
Adam VanderStelt:it is it's a narrative. It's a very narrative song in that it's
Adam VanderStelt:um, it starts at the foot of the cross, or at the sorry, at the
Adam VanderStelt:empty tomb. But then in the seventh verse, you know, it's a
Adam VanderStelt:song about the connection of the resurrection and our
Adam VanderStelt:resurrection. He brings me to the portal that leads to Bliss
Adam VanderStelt:untold where on this rhyme immortal is found the script of
Adam VanderStelt:gold, who there my cross is shared, finds here a crown
Adam VanderStelt:prepared our crown, who there with me has died shall here be
Adam VanderStelt:glorified. So in Jesus Christ where we were, there's fancy
Adam VanderStelt:words right glorification is sanctification right? So we're
Adam VanderStelt:glorification happens at the cross. Sanctification happens
Adam VanderStelt:through the course of our lives, but ultimately, we become fully
Adam VanderStelt:glorified and heaven with Christ. So, yeah, powerful.
Matthew Starner:Got some beautiful stuff here. You know,
Matthew Starner:and it's, it's kind of worth noting as you kind of page
Matthew Starner:through, we've got the hymnal here in front of us, is your
Matthew Starner:page and through kind of the Easter section, it's not short.
Matthew Starner:No, you know, Easter rich Easter, the day, you know, gets
Matthew Starner:gets celebrated and most people's mind, just on that
Matthew Starner:Sunday, the season though of Easter lasts for several weeks.
Matthew Starner:I forget off the top of my head, if it's six or seven weeks of
Matthew Starner:Easter, you know, it's a long span all the way up to
Matthew Starner:Pentecost. And so there's, there's a lot of a lot of great
Matthew Starner:Easter hymns that the church has kind of collected over the
Matthew Starner:centuries. And that we get to still sing today. And some some
Matthew Starner:new ones. We were we were talking before we started
Matthew Starner:rolling here. But there's a handful in the Easter section of
Matthew Starner:the hymnal here that's like, yeah, I don't know that him.
Matthew Starner:That's not one that I grew up with. That's, that's a new
Matthew Starner:addition in this hymnal here. Well, how about we turn our
Matthew Starner:attention to some of the more modern songs, okay, that we're
Matthew Starner:going to be singing Yeah. And that we sing around this time of
Matthew Starner:year. You know, here at St. Matthew, we've got our
Matthew Starner:traditional service, and we've got a contemporary service that
Matthew Starner:we get to, we'd have the best of both worlds, the best of the
Matthew Starner:traditional stuff, the best of the modern things that are being
Matthew Starner:written today. We're also going to try to bring those all
Matthew Starner:together on Sunday. So we're gonna see how this goes with our
Matthew Starner:our Easter service doing a combined combined service of the
Matthew Starner:traditional and the contemporary, in our two spaces
Matthew Starner:kind of simulcast together. It should be it should be a
Matthew Starner:technological feat. We've pulled this off before. We're hoping to
Matthew Starner:pull it off again. Hopefully nice and smooth and something
Matthew Starner:that blesses everybody. But yeah. One of the ones that we're
Matthew Starner:singing this weekend, because he lives one that's been around for
Matthew Starner:a minute, not a not a brand new song, but a great one
Matthew Starner:nonetheless.
Adam VanderStelt:Right? You know, of course, the the title,
Adam VanderStelt:and maybe the rewrite, it's a map Mayer song, but I think it
Adam VanderStelt:was originally a Gaither song that because he lives tomorrow,
Matthew Starner:that bridge that they pull in there from the
Matthew Starner:the Gators him
Adam VanderStelt:which I grew up with, or I guess I don't
Adam VanderStelt:know, what do you call it?
Matthew Starner:What what category that falls into if it's
Matthew Starner:a hammer, praise chorus or,
Adam VanderStelt:you know, probably gospel music or
Adam VanderStelt:something. But I love this song. Because it starts with our
Adam VanderStelt:condition, I believe, right? We were I was dead in the grave,
Adam VanderStelt:covered it's in his name, then mercy called my name and makes a
Adam VanderStelt:direct connection. Because Christ is alive. I'm alive in
Adam VanderStelt:Christ. It's a it's a wonderful song.
Matthew Starner:Right? Strong echoes of Ephesians two, eight,
Matthew Starner:you know, you were dead in your sins. We were dead in the grave,
Matthew Starner:covered in sin and shame. Mercy called my name pulled me out of
Matthew Starner:that grave. Also kind of reminder of the story of Lazarus
Matthew Starner:too, right? We were dead in that grave. And Lazarus was called
Matthew Starner:out from that grave we are called out from that death to
Matthew Starner:Yeah. Something I really appreciate about mackmyra As you
Matthew Starner:know, he's from kind of the Catholic tradition. And so also
Matthew Starner:kind of bringing a similar understanding of how we come to
Matthew Starner:faith that it's it's not my my action but it's God's action
Matthew Starner:calling me to faith and you really see that like in this
Matthew Starner:song here, put together and while it's a song that has a lot
Matthew Starner:of AI in it, you know, I believe I believe I appreciate what it
Matthew Starner:is that he's saying we believe that I'm alive because he lives
Matthew Starner:it's because of Jesus that then I believe that I overcome that
Matthew Starner:there's power in this blood it's because of Jesus and I love to
Matthew Starner:that that chorus from the the old gathers him of because he
Matthew Starner:lives I can face tomorrow it's a little bit like we said with I
Matthew Starner:know that my Redeemer lives it's it's pulling the resurrection
Matthew Starner:into the everyday I can face tomorrow my fears are gone. I
Matthew Starner:know he holds me my futures in his hand. All because Jesus
Matthew Starner:lives it's not just a day that we get to have him and deviled
Matthew Starner:eggs and
Adam VanderStelt:the kids bring home a bunch more candy right
Adam VanderStelt:dressed up
Matthew Starner:all fancy for church. It's not just that what
Matthew Starner:else we sing on on Easter Adam,
Adam VanderStelt:we're singing Hallelujah for the cross. Yeah,
Matthew Starner:that's another great which is a great song as
Matthew Starner:well. And that's a bit of a newer one.
Adam VanderStelt:It is a bit of a newer one. I'm just pulling up
Adam VanderStelt:the lyrics here now.
Matthew Starner:We've been singing that. We started singing
Matthew Starner:that when I came to St. Matthew here. So that song was written
Matthew Starner:in:Matthew Starner:especially as you know, the ones that we talked about in the
Matthew Starner:traditional stuff, you know, some of those songs have been
Matthew Starner:around for several 100 years, right? This one's been around
Matthew Starner:for three, four years, is all.
Adam VanderStelt:Yeah, and these are really well written
Adam VanderStelt:words. Because, again, it starts with the hypothetical of what
Adam VanderStelt:if, what if there wasn't? If there wasn't a cross if there
Adam VanderStelt:wasn't a resurrection? Where I would be which is, I think it's
Adam VanderStelt:what we do in Lent, right? As we sort of remember our our
Adam VanderStelt:brokenness Yep, our fallen, fallen condition. So that I
Adam VanderStelt:liked the song because it ties Lent and Easter together in a
Adam VanderStelt:nice way. Because the second verse says, you have one me and
Adam VanderStelt:chased me down when I was lost, and then we get to sing
Adam VanderStelt:hallelujah. And a thank you. I was a prisoner. Now I'm not with
Adam VanderStelt:your brother blood, you bought my freedom, I will sue you for
Adam VanderStelt:the cross, which
Matthew Starner:is one of those weird, weird things that
Matthew Starner:Christians get to say, you know, hallelujah, for the cross, thank
Matthew Starner:you, Jesus for Dying on that cross. In the same way that
Matthew Starner:we're going to refer to Friday as Good Friday, the day that God
Matthew Starner:dies on the cross, I mean, what should be the worst day becomes
Matthew Starner:the best day becomes a good day for us. And so we get to through
Matthew Starner:the power of Jesus resurrection we get to see something as
Matthew Starner:horrific as the cross I mean, when you really think about what
Matthew Starner:what happened on the cross to Jesus to be able to then say
Matthew Starner:thank you for the Hallelujah for that. Seeing God turned those
Matthew Starner:those bad things into great things. Glad every time he does
Matthew Starner:that every day in my
Adam VanderStelt:life yeah, I mean, it's kind of one of those
Adam VanderStelt:strange things that you know, to people outside of the faith.
Adam VanderStelt:It's like, Man, you guys sing a lot about like, blood and and
Adam VanderStelt:torture instruments. But not knowing that yeah, the context
Adam VanderStelt:of that is that you know, we sing about that those things
Adam VanderStelt:because they are our freedom and our and our new life. The bridge
Adam VanderStelt:actually does the same thing by your stripes I am healed.
Adam VanderStelt:Stripes being the website Christ back like that's that's a pretty
Adam VanderStelt:hard sentence to swallow for me. You know? We sing that with joy,
Adam VanderStelt:but the magnitude ought not to be lost on us of that statement.
Matthew Starner:Yeah, this song, like, like a lot of them,
Matthew Starner:does a really nice job of pulling Good Friday and Easter
Matthew Starner:together. by your stripes, I'm healed by your death I live.
Matthew Starner:power of sin is overcome, It is finished. We're gonna hear those
Matthew Starner:words on Good Friday. It is finished, it is done. But Jesus
Matthew Starner:lives, thank you, Jesus for that cross. Like I say, you know, a
Matthew Starner:lot of these, especially songs that are being written in the
Matthew Starner:last, you know, five years or so. There has really been just a
Matthew Starner:What a move within, within the church, within the part of the
Matthew Starner:church that's writing modern songs, to really write these
Matthew Starner:like deep, meaningful songs. You know, I know, contemporary songs
Matthew Starner:got a got a bad rap for a while about being kind of fluffy and
Matthew Starner:not a whole lot to him. And man, I don't I don't think you can
Matthew Starner:say that anymore. No doubt about the songs being written today.
Matthew Starner:The theology
Adam VanderStelt:is really rich, and it feels like it's
Adam VanderStelt:echoing the hymnody of the past. You know, it feels like it's
Matthew Starner:sure, yeah, certainly standing in the same
Matthew Starner:tradition as some of these hem writers from the hymnal that
Matthew Starner:I've got sitting here next to me, who are really trying to
Matthew Starner:artfully capture the beauty of the complexity of what God has
Matthew Starner:done for us and what his love for us looks like. How that
Matthew Starner:plays out in our life. They're really doing a just a fantastic
Matthew Starner:job at that and pairing it with good music to like the the music
Matthew Starner:itself is well done. Well composed. Yeah. How about one
Matthew Starner:more,
Adam VanderStelt:one more? What else we're gonna sing. We're
Adam VanderStelt:gonna sing, resurrecting and living hope both of which I love
Adam VanderStelt:and both of which I'm willing to talk about which one would you?
Adam VanderStelt:I mean, I'm a huge fan boy of living hope. So.
Matthew Starner:Let's talk about living. And that's one
Matthew Starner:that we know our church here really, really loves that song.
Matthew Starner:I know. I know. Adam and I both love to lead that song because,
Matthew Starner:man we can really hear the congregation sing out
Adam VanderStelt:on the Yeah, they start leading you.
Matthew Starner:This is definitely one of those ones
Matthew Starner:that you just kind of start and get out of the way. Yeah,
Matthew Starner:exactly. Because mandate They sing it and they sing it. Well.
Matthew Starner:I know as I look at this song, this is, I think kind of like we
Matthew Starner:said with like awake my heart with gladness where it's a bit
Matthew Starner:of a narrative. It's a song that's that's telling a story.
Matthew Starner:And the story that it's telling is the story of Jesus. Jesus
Matthew Starner:coming, Jesus dying, Jesus rising. painting that picture
Matthew Starner:right at the beginning of the the chasm that the state that we
Matthew Starner:were in, there's this chasm that lay between us, how high the
Matthew Starner:mountain I could not climb and desperation, I turned to heaven,
Matthew Starner:I spoke your name into the night no crying out to God, through
Matthew Starner:the darkness, through your loving kindness through the
Matthew Starner:shadows, tore through the shadows of my soul, the work is
Matthew Starner:finished, the end is written Jesus Christ, my living hope.
Matthew Starner:You know, as it says, it moves on through, they're just some,
Matthew Starner:again, beautiful, beautiful words that we get to sing across
Matthew Starner:a spoken, I am forgiven. The King of Kings calls me his own,
Matthew Starner:beautiful savior and yours forever. Jesus Christ, my living
Matthew Starner:hope.
Adam VanderStelt:Yeah, verse one, you know, going back to
Adam VanderStelt:that one, from the tradition that, that we're in, you know,
Adam VanderStelt:we talk about grace and grace alone is what buys us. And
Adam VanderStelt:that's what that verse is about. It's, um, there was nothing I
Adam VanderStelt:could do, right? There was nothing I could do. And it
Adam VanderStelt:borrows like Old Testament imagery of like a curtain in the
Adam VanderStelt:tabernacle, and the curtain tour over over that weekend. So it's,
Adam VanderStelt:again, I mean, I think you already said it, but it starts
Adam VanderStelt:with the, a lot of ways it starts with the ending, I think,
Adam VanderStelt:well, it says that the work is finished, the end is written
Adam VanderStelt:Jesus Christ, my living hope, salad period, like, like that's,
Adam VanderStelt:that's
Matthew Starner:no question mark, no doubt, right of fact,
Adam VanderStelt:right? If I can believe that, if I can
Adam VanderStelt:believe that sentence, the work is finished, the end is written
Adam VanderStelt:Jesus Christ, my living hope. My faith becomes a lot, a lot
Adam VanderStelt:stronger if I can live into the fact that I don't, that God that
Adam VanderStelt:Christ already did the work for me. And it's through His grace.
Adam VanderStelt:That yeah, the end is written that I have eternal life with,
Adam VanderStelt:with God. Man, that's, that's hope for today and for tomorrow.
Matthew Starner:And in verse three, you know, the, the words
Matthew Starner:that especially relate to Easter Sunday, and I love this, I love
Matthew Starner:singing this verse out of leading this verse about you
Matthew Starner:know, that then came the morning that sealed the promise, your
Matthew Starner:buried body began to breathe out of the silence, the roaring lion
Matthew Starner:declared, The grave has no claim on me. Not it's not written this
Matthew Starner:way in the music. But I like that you can read that fourth
Matthew Starner:line there declared the grave has no claim on me. I like that
Matthew Starner:you can read that both ways that Jesus is declaring it has no
Matthew Starner:claim on him. But I think also that Jesus is declaring it also
Matthew Starner:has no claim on you. On my people, I'm me, the person
Matthew Starner:singing the song. Like, we get to say that because Jesus got to
Matthew Starner:say that, and I liked it. It's a little bit of like deliberate
Matthew Starner:ambiguity there. You know, there's no quotations around
Matthew Starner:that. It's, it's, it's a true statement both ways. Because of
Matthew Starner:Jesus victory, we can say that to some man when we sing out,
Matthew Starner:you know, those those final refrains of my living hope.
Matthew Starner:Hallelujah praise the one who set me free hallelujah death has
Matthew Starner:lost its grip on me. Broken every chain their salvation in
Matthew Starner:your name, Jesus Christ, my living hope, powerful stuff.
Matthew Starner:Glad that we get to sing this stuff at Easter and the stuff
Matthew Starner:that we've got coming up in the weeks ahead. It's going to be a
Matthew Starner:great season, great season of rejoicing here is we get to
Matthew Starner:worship together. So thanks for talking through these, Adam.
Matthew Starner:Appreciate it and hope that as you sing these songs over the
Matthew Starner:next few weeks, that you you get to see a little bit more the
Matthew Starner:depth of some of the words that we're singing in these songs.
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