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It’s almost Easter and we’re looking at a weird Bible story associated with Jesus’ death and resurrection: the temple curtain tearing in two and the tombs of saints opening up with their inhabitants leaving the cemetery. It’s a strange little scene but it’s packed with meaning!

Then in part two, Pastor Matthew and Adam take a look at some songs of the Easter season that we’ll be singing and look at how the message of Jesus’ resurrection has been set to music over the years.

Have a topic you’d like to hear about or a question for us? Drop us an email at media@stmatthewgr.com.

Transcript
Matthew Starner:

It's Easter Week on everyday disciples. I'm

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Pastor Matthew, and thanks for joining me here today. As we

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gear up for Good Friday and Easter, there's a lot of

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Scripture that we're gonna be talking about in the next few

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days. One of those passages has some details that we might be

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tempted to skim past that when Jesus dies, the temple curtain

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is torn, and the tombs of saints are open. I sit down today with

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Aiden hunter to dig into this weird Bible story. Then, another

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part of our Easter celebration is music. And Adam Vanderbilt

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and I take a look at some Easter songs that will be singing this

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Sunday and in the coming weeks, and we'll look at how Christians

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have put the resurrection to music throughout history up to

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today. All that and more ahead on everyday disciples.

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Well, I'm joined here with Aidan hunt. This week leading up to

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Easter here and Aiden, we're about to read through all of the

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the texts surrounding Jesus death and his resurrection in

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the coming days. Monday, Thursday and Good Friday and

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Easter Sunday. And I thought it'd be good for us to talk

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about some do some more weird Bible stories stuff.

Aidan Hunt:

Yeah, the weird Bible stories, they don't, they

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don't stop in the new in the New Testament, they keep going. It's

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not just the Old Testament as the weird stuff. The new New

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Testament got some stuff we gotta unpack too. And some

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stuff, we got to, you know, dissect that button. It all just

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it makes a lot of sense once you look at it, but it takes a

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little bit of inspection sometimes. And so

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there's one part in the story about the

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death of Jesus, that often I think if somebody was retelling

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the story, you know, after like going to church on Good Friday,

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we're gonna we're gonna read some of this. Actually, I take

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it back. I'm not sure if this particular if the Matthew

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reading shows up in what we're going to read this year on Good

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Friday. I know we're reading a lot from Luke. So we might not

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hear this one this this time. But if somebody was recounting

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the story, I feel like they would maybe skip these details.

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Because on the surface, they seem pretty

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insignificant. They don't seem and they're these kind of seems

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like comes on. Yeah, like, oh, that happened. Cool. And so

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the part that we're talking about here comes

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from Matthew chapter 27. Starting at verse 51, through

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54, where it mentions the temple curtain being torn. And then

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this earthquake that causes a bunch of what sounds like

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zombies to come to life here. So Aiden, you want to read those

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verses for us so folks listening can hear what we're talking

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about.

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Suddenly, the curtain of the temple was torn

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in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook and the rocks

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were split. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the

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saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And coming out of

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the tombs after his resurrection, they went into the

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holy city, and appeared to many, when the centurion and those who

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are with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and

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what took place. They were filled with art and said, Truly,

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this was the Son of God. So this

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falls right after like in the previous

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paragraph here, Jesus dies, Jesus gives up his Spirit, Jesus

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dies, and this is a result of Jesus dying, the temple curtain

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is torn in two, and these tombs are open. So let's, let's maybe

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take these two events, one at a time here, when we will talk

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about the the temple curtain being torn into what do you make

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of that one.

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So I actually mentioned this in my sermon from

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about a month ago, where we talked about how the, the

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curtain of the temple that we see that it's torn. When Jesus

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dies, we almost think of it as like, just like the curtain over

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the windows of the temple so that, you know, the glare

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doesn't get in certainly how we use or think of curtains today,

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how we think how we think of curtains like in our cultural

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context. But this curtain was not those kinds of curtains.

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This was the curtain that hung in the temple that separated the

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center, most part of the temple, the Holy of Holies, where they

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believe that the presence of God dwelled most strongly where the

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Ark of the Covenant was. And this was the case both in the

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temple in Jerusalem and even way back in the exodus in the

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wilderness when the Israelites traveled with the tabernacle, as

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at the center of their camp, everywhere they went. And the

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Holy of Holies was where the high priest would go once a year

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to make a sacrifice on behalf of the people. Because that's where

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the presence of God was most almost like most saturated like

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that's where it was the most real here on earth like that was

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work having an earth came to collide was in the Holy of

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Holies. This curtain was not just you know, a curtain keeping

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the glare out or the sun, like this was a thick, very like

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strong curtain because of the presence of God was not safe for

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a human being like your eye. And so when and

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I think we need to lean in for a second on like,

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when you say thick curtain. We don't just mean like, you know,

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you can go out on the nose and corduroy. Well, yeah, you You

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can go down to the home store and you can get some that's like

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a room darkening curtain. That's not the thickness we're talking.

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We're talking like, I was just trying to find it here on in my

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notes. It's like a four inch thick curtain.

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That's nuts. That's it.

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So this is, I mean, when you think about like

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a fabric curtain, we think of, you know, something, you know,

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maybe a quarter of an inch thick or something that's a pretty

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heavy curtain, we're talking four inches, give or take,

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you can't throw this thing in the washer. No, you

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gotta you gotta This is a heavy thing that we're talking about

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here. Yeah. And so the reason that this curtain had to be so

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thick, though is that the presence of God is so holy, it

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is. So it is so powerful, and we as human beings, because of our

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sin and our brokenness, it is therefore not safe for us to be

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in God's presence so that the thickness of the curtain is for

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our protection. When you go into the temple, you don't want to,

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you know, be so close to the presence of God. But the thing

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about Jesus about the Incarnation where God has come

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to earth, in a human body as a man in Jesus of Nazareth, the

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presence of God isn't now dwelling among his people. And

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when Jesus dies, and and our sins are forgiven, and atone for

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the the separation between God and humanity is no longer a

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thing because Jesus has died for our sins. And so when Jesus

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dies, that curtain that separates the presence of God

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from humanity is torn in half. It doesn't matter anymore. It we

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don't need that curtain to separate us from God because we

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have been reconciled to Him through Jesus.

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And I love that imagery in the text of its

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split. From top to bottom. God coming to us not

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bottom to top, it wasn't something we did right

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from him, right? It it just again,

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it reinforces that direction of how God works.

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It's from him to us. Yeah, man. It's it's powerful stuff. And I

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think it's a, it's a great connection, then right into the

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next thing that happens here with the rocks. But in fact, I

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was looking at a commentary that that makes, I think, a pretty

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good argument that that really, now I don't, what what version

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were you reading out of is, is that those ESV? Oh, I have the

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USB open it was must be a different version from what I

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have then. So mine at mine has young Behold, the curtain of the

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temple was torn into from top to bottom period. And the earth

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shook and the rocks were split period. And it makes the

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argument that that first period shouldn't be there. That really

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to say that this is all one thing that's happening, the

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curtain is torn into and the earth shook. And the rocks were

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split, that this is a one one movement that's happening here.

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As as the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who

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had fallen, fallen asleep or right, so we've got that, that

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bodies of the saints, to those who were reading this

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originally, they would have thought had in mind, maybe some

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Old Testament Heroes, that's the saints that they were maybe

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thinking of who had fallen asleep that they're raised. Now,

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there's a weird little little timing thing in here in verse

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53. They're raised at this point when the the the tombs are

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opened, but it says coming out of the tombs after his

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resurrection. So Jesus just died. His resurrection isn't

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isn't for a little bit here in the story. But Matthew is

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throwing this detail in that after his resurrection, then

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they went out into the holy city. So it makes you wonder,

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were they just milling around the cemetery for a couple of

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days until Jesus arose? Were they hanging out just in their

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tombs, until then, it's kind of a strange picture that Matthew

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is painting here for us. And it leads to all sorts of questions.

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So where did these people rise? Like Lazarus rose? So they all

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died again? Did they rise to like resurrected bodies in the

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sense of the End Times resurrection? Is this the

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foretaste of of that resurrection to come? So in

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other words, do they do they rise to die again? Or do they

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rise not to die again? Like Jesus rises not to die again?

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No, there's no Matthew doesn't point us in one direction or the

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other in his text here. So it's something to just maybe wonder

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about. But man, it's a it's an amazing connection to what Jesus

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is doing as Jesus dies. As that temple is there's the the

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curtain of the temple was torn into a now the grave is torn

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into. So the grave can't hold us either. It's a powerful reminder

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of this resurrection reality that is happening, even in this

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moment as Jesus is dying on the cross.

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And I don't think we should miss that this last

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verse. Were the first person who really sees all of this

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happening around them and sees that this this death was much

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more than just a simple Jewish man. First person to say Truly

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this was the Son of God was not a Jew. But in fact, it was a

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Roman soldier. So that this message of salvation, we see

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even right here, as soon as Jesus dies is not just for the

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Jewish people, but as for all people, Jew and Gentile alike.

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And yeah, and I love the point too, that these

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these holy ones, the saints would fallen asleep, these

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these, presumably Jewish saints that that they're referring to

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here. As Matthew would paint this picture, it's not just like

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you just said, it's not just for everyone going forward. But it's

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also going backward, you know, Jesus death and his resurrection

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is what saves those who came before him. Their faith in that

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event is the same as our faith in that event. They were looking

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forward to it, we're looking backward to it, it is, it is the

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pivotal moment for all time in human history here. So that's a

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really interesting little paragraph here. A little aside

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that happens in the Easter story, but man, one that is

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packed full of meaning here. So I hope as you hear these words

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read in the next few days, as you think about these over the

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Easter holiday weekend, hear that these maybe give a little

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bit more meaning a little more depth to words that you hear all

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the time

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while I'm sitting here once again with Adam Vander stellt

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the worship guys are back together today to talk about

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some Easter songs. This is the week of Easter here and we're

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getting ready to sing all the fun songs we've been at them all

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Lenten, we've been singing all the Latin songs a lot of a lot

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of focus on the cross a lot of focus on Jesus death and our

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repentance as the season goes on. And we're about to turn the

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corner here and sing all the way go from the minor keys to

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the major keys back in the major companies.

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So we thought today it would be really good to

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to kind of talk about some of the songs that we sing around

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Easter we've done some of these, why we sing what we sing,

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looking at individual songs, we thought today maybe a little

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longer segment we'll talk about a bunch of different songs that

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we're going to sing this weekend on Easter. So I thought probably

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you know should should start with one of the first ones that

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that we're going to sing one that people know Christ the Lord

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has risen today or Jesus Christ is risen today depending on

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which which tradition you grew up in. In in our hymnals Jesus

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Christ is risen today has a different tune that I think like

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most of the rest of the world has the has a different tune

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okay to this one. There's there's kind of two similar

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Easter tunes that these texts get flip flop back and forth.

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But Jesus Christ is risen today. classic, classic Eastern hymn if

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there ever was one. So much so that like it gets done in

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contemporary settings and stuff, the the texts and the tune

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really both are what pretty enduring, I guess there they

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are.

Adam VanderStelt:

Yes, I remember this song. Growing up

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as a kid we sang this in my home church, and I always thought of

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it as the one that had the high note. I know the high note it's

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right there in the third series. The third phrase there who did

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once upon the cross, I just remember that's the one the high

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note like that's the one we got to send later.

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This was the one that the growing up at my

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church like I had never heard this song without brass. Oh,

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really. Our church on Easter always had a bunch of brass and

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even like the timpani and the organ, you know, revved up to

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full speed. I didn't I this was one that I never knew you could

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do without bras like it just seemed like and of course we

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had. The church I grew up at had a big choir too. So we had like

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this army of voices leading that it was usually kicking off

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Easter Sunday. And definitely one that is, at least for me.

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I'm sure it is for others too. A little bit nostalgic when you're

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saying yeah, I'm reminded of those days growing up.

Adam VanderStelt:

Yep, yep. I remember sitting in the Senate

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the stuff the left side of the church, seven throw, Easter

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morning, every every Easter and I think this was usually the

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song that they started with, you know, a downbeat that was the

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this one song right here so yeah,

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yeah, you almost can't sing it without

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smelling Easter lilies and yeah, and all that

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I think about ham or ham,

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deviled eggs, all the things that go along

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with Easter you know, it's funny Easter is not one of those

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holidays that tends to be nostalgic like Christmases. You

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know, Christmas tends to have all the warm fuzzies with it.

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And for for whatever reason, Easter doesn't have that, that

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same nostalgia, but there are bits of it in there.

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I always just remember I had to wear my nice

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new shirt. On Easter, I had to I had to, like you got to look

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like your brother to you know, put on your nice purple shirts

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and look like your brother and

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Zara. Remember Easter Easter was when we got to

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dress up like you know, you got to wear a suit and tie and all

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that to church it was that was the fancy day. Instead, it's

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funny those those things that we connect with that, but looking

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at looking at the hem here. So we're going to be saying these

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words all the time. I think one of the reasons why this tends to

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be you know, one of the first ones that gets used on Easter

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Sunday worship, especially in churches that are a little more

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liturgical, a little more traditional, even more so than

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our church. During the season of Lent, the traditionally the

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church puts away the ALU Yes, so we don't sing hallelujah o's and

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things like that. Now, we're not quite so rigid about that here.

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But there are some churches that don't do that. So when when it

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comes to Easter Sunday morning, this is like the first time in

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six weeks that we've been able to sing Alia so we've got a song

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that's got for each verse, you know, we get to sing it 16 times

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the opening.

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Yeah, catch up and catch up on irrelevant.

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But man, this one and you know, the lyrics

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kind of get get swapped between the two sometimes depending on

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the church you grew up in are the hymnal that you use, but the

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lyrics and both this Jesus Christ has risen today in Christ

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the Lord has risen today. Man such powerful lyrics in there.

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You know, if you kind of just ignore the hallelujahs for and

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just look at the text of it. We've got some, some beautiful

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things like verse three, you know, the pains that he endured,

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our salvation have procured, now above the sky, he's king where

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the angels ever sing and you know, Allah lujah is

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interspersed through all of that, and in in the other one

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Christ the Lord has risen today was the verse that I just really

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love. Like in that one, two, verse three, hail the victim,

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undefiled God and sinners reconciled sounds a little bit

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like Christmas. Yeah. When contending death and life met in

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strange and awesome strife, Christians on this holy day, all

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you're grateful homage pay Christ, the Lord has risen on

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high now he lives no more to die. There's just beautiful,

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beautiful lyrics there that we get to sing in those songs. But

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there's more than just that song that we sing at Easter time.

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Yeah. One of the other ones I know that is a I grew up with as

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a classic Christian, Easter, I don't say Christmas, classic

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Easter hymn that we get to sing but also at other times, too,

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was I know that my Redeemer lives. This is another one of

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those like, just powerful music. First of all super singable, as

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far as hymns go, Ben and a lot of funerals where this has been

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sung to the great, great connection there to remember

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like, in the face of death, the hope that we have. And we'll be

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singing this one this week on Easter too. Now, probably not

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going to sing all eight verses have it. And I know in different

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in different hymnals there have been different numbers of verses

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and stuff. And it always kind of cracks me up. When when there's

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a hymn with 810 12. There's one in here that I think has 15

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verses. Oh my goodness, let one. We sing it a few weeks ago at

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one of our our evening services. Yeah. odorous Jesus, what law

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has to allow broken has 15 verses and we told everybody

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well, maybe we'll just think 12 Small panic that went over the

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room when we said that we I think we only say two or three.

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But yeah,

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I'm looking at these words here on I know my

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redeemer lives. This isn't a song that I'm familiar with. But

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I love the lyrics of the fourth verse. He lives to grant me rich

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supply He lives to guide me with his eye he lives to comfort me

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when faint He lives to hear my soul's complaint so that the

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resurrection wasn't just like a one off occurrence. Like it's a

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it's a continuation of Christ's work in our life that that now

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that the gap between us and God has been eliminated through

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through Christ like we have access to a rich supply of his

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good As of His grace of his, you know, the fruits of the Spirit

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so I just like that.

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I think that's that's what I really like about

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this him is it does a really good job of bringing Easter into

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the everyday we were talking about this at staff a little

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while back that in this book that we're reading on the

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resurrection, about how Jesus resurrection we kind of maybe

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have that sometimes in our mind as it was like this thing that

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he did, where he came back to life from from death, but we

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really don't have always have a firm grasp on what does that

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mean for us today? You know, how does that how does that change

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things for me today, and this him does a really great job of

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trying to explain that of like so. So he lives and there's

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eight verses now of like, like, I love number seven too. He

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lives and grants me daily breath, he lives and I will

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conquer death. He lives my mansion to prepare He lives to

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bring me safely there. It's this is all stuff that's like here

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and now but also futures there's that my mansion to prepare that

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my heavenly home that he is he is bringing me to He lives to

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silence all my fears. He lives to wipe away my tears. He lives

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to calm my troubled heart he lives all blessings to impart

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you know what a what a great reminder of just the the every

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day of what Easter does for us.

Adam VanderStelt:

Yeah. And timely that that verse you just

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read, he lives to silence all my fears, right? We just been going

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through a time of fears and tears and, and troubles and how

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good to know that Easter keeps going that as Christians were

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Easter people, it's not just a holiday, we celebrate once a

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year. It's something it's a truth we live into. Or we have

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the opportunity to live into. Yeah, when we truly accept the

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truth of the resurrection in the in the beauty of it.

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Let's look at another one you got to look at

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another another him. So here's what here's another one Adam, I

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don't know if you're familiar with this one. Awake my heart

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with gladness. You're familiar with that one grew up with that

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one. This is we're not going to sing this one on Easter Sunday.

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We'll be singing this in the next couple of weeks. But

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another really powerful song Beautiful, beautiful melody,

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first of all. So many of these Easter hymns just have a very

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classic singleness to them. I think that's why they've endured

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for for the centuries that they've been around. But another

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one with with really beautiful lyrics here, awake my heart with

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gladness, see what today is done. Now after gloom and

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sadness, now after coming out of Lent, comes forth the glorious

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sun, my Savior there was laid, where our bed must be made. When

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to when to the realms of light our Spirit Wings, its flight,

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you know Jesus light in that place that we were meant to be.

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And now he he has risen now we will rise kind of recounts the

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other verse, this is another some of these older hymns. You

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know, like these guys weren't short on words. Seven, seven

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versus here. Not one that we normally sing all seven of which

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I guess is always as a you know, the person who's picking the

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music a lot of times for the traditional service especially.

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There is a little bit of that tension of oh man should we sing

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all eight verses are all seven are all six verses? Should we

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cut it down? How much is too much? How much is cutting it

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short and short? Changing the song? There is always that kind

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of balance of how much do you sing? And how much do you do

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leave out some?

Adam VanderStelt:

Yes, boy, I'm looking at the lyrics of this

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one, it'd be hard to it'd be hard to leave one out. Because

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it is it's a narrative. It's a very narrative song in that it's

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um, it starts at the foot of the cross, or at the sorry, at the

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empty tomb. But then in the seventh verse, you know, it's a

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song about the connection of the resurrection and our

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resurrection. He brings me to the portal that leads to Bliss

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untold where on this rhyme immortal is found the script of

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gold, who there my cross is shared, finds here a crown

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prepared our crown, who there with me has died shall here be

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glorified. So in Jesus Christ where we were, there's fancy

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words right glorification is sanctification right? So we're

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glorification happens at the cross. Sanctification happens

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through the course of our lives, but ultimately, we become fully

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glorified and heaven with Christ. So, yeah, powerful.

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Got some beautiful stuff here. You know,

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and it's, it's kind of worth noting as you kind of page

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through, we've got the hymnal here in front of us, is your

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page and through kind of the Easter section, it's not short.

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No, you know, Easter rich Easter, the day, you know, gets

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gets celebrated and most people's mind, just on that

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Sunday, the season though of Easter lasts for several weeks.

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I forget off the top of my head, if it's six or seven weeks of

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Easter, you know, it's a long span all the way up to

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Pentecost. And so there's, there's a lot of a lot of great

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Easter hymns that the church has kind of collected over the

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centuries. And that we get to still sing today. And some some

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new ones. We were we were talking before we started

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rolling here. But there's a handful in the Easter section of

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the hymnal here that's like, yeah, I don't know that him.

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That's not one that I grew up with. That's, that's a new

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addition in this hymnal here. Well, how about we turn our

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attention to some of the more modern songs, okay, that we're

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going to be singing Yeah. And that we sing around this time of

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year. You know, here at St. Matthew, we've got our

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traditional service, and we've got a contemporary service that

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we get to, we'd have the best of both worlds, the best of the

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traditional stuff, the best of the modern things that are being

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written today. We're also going to try to bring those all

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together on Sunday. So we're gonna see how this goes with our

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our Easter service doing a combined combined service of the

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traditional and the contemporary, in our two spaces

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kind of simulcast together. It should be it should be a

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technological feat. We've pulled this off before. We're hoping to

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pull it off again. Hopefully nice and smooth and something

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that blesses everybody. But yeah. One of the ones that we're

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singing this weekend, because he lives one that's been around for

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a minute, not a not a brand new song, but a great one

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nonetheless.

Adam VanderStelt:

Right? You know, of course, the the title,

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and maybe the rewrite, it's a map Mayer song, but I think it

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was originally a Gaither song that because he lives tomorrow,

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that bridge that they pull in there from the

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the Gators him

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which I grew up with, or I guess I don't

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know, what do you call it?

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What what category that falls into if it's

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a hammer, praise chorus or,

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you know, probably gospel music or

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something. But I love this song. Because it starts with our

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condition, I believe, right? We were I was dead in the grave,

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covered it's in his name, then mercy called my name and makes a

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direct connection. Because Christ is alive. I'm alive in

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Christ. It's a it's a wonderful song.

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Right? Strong echoes of Ephesians two, eight,

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you know, you were dead in your sins. We were dead in the grave,

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covered in sin and shame. Mercy called my name pulled me out of

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that grave. Also kind of reminder of the story of Lazarus

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too, right? We were dead in that grave. And Lazarus was called

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out from that grave we are called out from that death to

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Yeah. Something I really appreciate about mackmyra As you

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know, he's from kind of the Catholic tradition. And so also

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kind of bringing a similar understanding of how we come to

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faith that it's it's not my my action but it's God's action

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calling me to faith and you really see that like in this

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song here, put together and while it's a song that has a lot

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of AI in it, you know, I believe I believe I appreciate what it

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is that he's saying we believe that I'm alive because he lives

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it's because of Jesus that then I believe that I overcome that

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there's power in this blood it's because of Jesus and I love to

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that that chorus from the the old gathers him of because he

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lives I can face tomorrow it's a little bit like we said with I

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know that my Redeemer lives it's it's pulling the resurrection

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into the everyday I can face tomorrow my fears are gone. I

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know he holds me my futures in his hand. All because Jesus

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lives it's not just a day that we get to have him and deviled

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eggs and

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the kids bring home a bunch more candy right

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dressed up

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all fancy for church. It's not just that what

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else we sing on on Easter Adam,

Adam VanderStelt:

we're singing Hallelujah for the cross. Yeah,

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that's another great which is a great song as

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well. And that's a bit of a newer one.

Adam VanderStelt:

It is a bit of a newer one. I'm just pulling up

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the lyrics here now.

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We've been singing that. We started singing

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that when I came to St. Matthew here. So that song was written

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especially as you know, the ones that we talked about in the

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traditional stuff, you know, some of those songs have been

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around for several 100 years, right? This one's been around

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for three, four years, is all.

Adam VanderStelt:

Yeah, and these are really well written

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words. Because, again, it starts with the hypothetical of what

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if, what if there wasn't? If there wasn't a cross if there

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wasn't a resurrection? Where I would be which is, I think it's

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what we do in Lent, right? As we sort of remember our our

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brokenness Yep, our fallen, fallen condition. So that I

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liked the song because it ties Lent and Easter together in a

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nice way. Because the second verse says, you have one me and

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chased me down when I was lost, and then we get to sing

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hallelujah. And a thank you. I was a prisoner. Now I'm not with

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your brother blood, you bought my freedom, I will sue you for

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the cross, which

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is one of those weird, weird things that

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Christians get to say, you know, hallelujah, for the cross, thank

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you, Jesus for Dying on that cross. In the same way that

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we're going to refer to Friday as Good Friday, the day that God

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dies on the cross, I mean, what should be the worst day becomes

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the best day becomes a good day for us. And so we get to through

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the power of Jesus resurrection we get to see something as

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horrific as the cross I mean, when you really think about what

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what happened on the cross to Jesus to be able to then say

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thank you for the Hallelujah for that. Seeing God turned those

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those bad things into great things. Glad every time he does

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that every day in my

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life yeah, I mean, it's kind of one of those

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strange things that you know, to people outside of the faith.

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It's like, Man, you guys sing a lot about like, blood and and

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torture instruments. But not knowing that yeah, the context

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of that is that you know, we sing about that those things

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because they are our freedom and our and our new life. The bridge

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actually does the same thing by your stripes I am healed.

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Stripes being the website Christ back like that's that's a pretty

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hard sentence to swallow for me. You know? We sing that with joy,

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but the magnitude ought not to be lost on us of that statement.

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Yeah, this song, like, like a lot of them,

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does a really nice job of pulling Good Friday and Easter

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together. by your stripes, I'm healed by your death I live.

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power of sin is overcome, It is finished. We're gonna hear those

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words on Good Friday. It is finished, it is done. But Jesus

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lives, thank you, Jesus for that cross. Like I say, you know, a

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lot of these, especially songs that are being written in the

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last, you know, five years or so. There has really been just a

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What a move within, within the church, within the part of the

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church that's writing modern songs, to really write these

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like deep, meaningful songs. You know, I know, contemporary songs

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got a got a bad rap for a while about being kind of fluffy and

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not a whole lot to him. And man, I don't I don't think you can

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say that anymore. No doubt about the songs being written today.

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The theology

Adam VanderStelt:

is really rich, and it feels like it's

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echoing the hymnody of the past. You know, it feels like it's

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sure, yeah, certainly standing in the same

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tradition as some of these hem writers from the hymnal that

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I've got sitting here next to me, who are really trying to

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artfully capture the beauty of the complexity of what God has

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done for us and what his love for us looks like. How that

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plays out in our life. They're really doing a just a fantastic

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job at that and pairing it with good music to like the the music

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itself is well done. Well composed. Yeah. How about one

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more,

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one more? What else we're gonna sing. We're

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gonna sing, resurrecting and living hope both of which I love

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and both of which I'm willing to talk about which one would you?

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I mean, I'm a huge fan boy of living hope. So.

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Let's talk about living. And that's one

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that we know our church here really, really loves that song.

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I know. I know. Adam and I both love to lead that song because,

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man we can really hear the congregation sing out

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on the Yeah, they start leading you.

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This is definitely one of those ones

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that you just kind of start and get out of the way. Yeah,

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exactly. Because mandate They sing it and they sing it. Well.

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I know as I look at this song, this is, I think kind of like we

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said with like awake my heart with gladness where it's a bit

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of a narrative. It's a song that's that's telling a story.

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And the story that it's telling is the story of Jesus. Jesus

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coming, Jesus dying, Jesus rising. painting that picture

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right at the beginning of the the chasm that the state that we

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were in, there's this chasm that lay between us, how high the

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mountain I could not climb and desperation, I turned to heaven,

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I spoke your name into the night no crying out to God, through

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the darkness, through your loving kindness through the

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shadows, tore through the shadows of my soul, the work is

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finished, the end is written Jesus Christ, my living hope.

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You know, as it says, it moves on through, they're just some,

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again, beautiful, beautiful words that we get to sing across

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a spoken, I am forgiven. The King of Kings calls me his own,

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beautiful savior and yours forever. Jesus Christ, my living

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hope.

Adam VanderStelt:

Yeah, verse one, you know, going back to

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that one, from the tradition that, that we're in, you know,

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we talk about grace and grace alone is what buys us. And

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that's what that verse is about. It's, um, there was nothing I

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could do, right? There was nothing I could do. And it

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borrows like Old Testament imagery of like a curtain in the

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tabernacle, and the curtain tour over over that weekend. So it's,

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again, I mean, I think you already said it, but it starts

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with the, a lot of ways it starts with the ending, I think,

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well, it says that the work is finished, the end is written

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Jesus Christ, my living hope, salad period, like, like that's,

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that's

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no question mark, no doubt, right of fact,

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right? If I can believe that, if I can

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believe that sentence, the work is finished, the end is written

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Jesus Christ, my living hope. My faith becomes a lot, a lot

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stronger if I can live into the fact that I don't, that God that

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Christ already did the work for me. And it's through His grace.

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That yeah, the end is written that I have eternal life with,

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with God. Man, that's, that's hope for today and for tomorrow.

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And in verse three, you know, the, the words

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that especially relate to Easter Sunday, and I love this, I love

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singing this verse out of leading this verse about you

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know, that then came the morning that sealed the promise, your

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buried body began to breathe out of the silence, the roaring lion

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declared, The grave has no claim on me. Not it's not written this

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way in the music. But I like that you can read that fourth

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line there declared the grave has no claim on me. I like that

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you can read that both ways that Jesus is declaring it has no

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claim on him. But I think also that Jesus is declaring it also

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has no claim on you. On my people, I'm me, the person

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singing the song. Like, we get to say that because Jesus got to

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say that, and I liked it. It's a little bit of like deliberate

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ambiguity there. You know, there's no quotations around

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that. It's, it's, it's a true statement both ways. Because of

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Jesus victory, we can say that to some man when we sing out,

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you know, those those final refrains of my living hope.

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Hallelujah praise the one who set me free hallelujah death has

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lost its grip on me. Broken every chain their salvation in

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your name, Jesus Christ, my living hope, powerful stuff.

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Glad that we get to sing this stuff at Easter and the stuff

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that we've got coming up in the weeks ahead. It's going to be a

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great season, great season of rejoicing here is we get to

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worship together. So thanks for talking through these, Adam.

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Appreciate it and hope that as you sing these songs over the

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next few weeks, that you you get to see a little bit more the

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depth of some of the words that we're singing in these songs.

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